S13 Watch / Vwar core 5. With Android 13 and AMOLED screen

yes, i have got the source and user debug firmware but i still prefer w527, i am the first to have w527 fdl now entire world have

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w527 i am already using daily stablly in android 13 gsi i am really happy about this processor asr well not so much from the android 9 version asr8601 to asr8601c it is 12nm but performs worse then 8541E

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That’s interesting :+1:

I’m currently working on Android 15 integration for the MTK6769 G85. The security is horrendous for the Chinese manufacturers. They have so many custom system apps that they will just have to leave out because they break all the rules.

Unfortunately, this makes it very difficult to find a brand that is willing to let go of these custom apps and for them - these are all the things they think customers want. Like “dual mode” background task killing apps etc etc…..

Even though we absolutely do not want all that stuff - we are a minority of potential customers. Most of the customers all around the world seem to like these custom functions. Especially the markets where Google is blacklisted.

Currently working on a scripted installation for some of these apps to be installed outside of the sys partition, from a read only hidden directory. Trying to suggest that its time to let the end user decide what they want to install. For the past 15 years, the answer has always been NO. But the tougher security

For example, previously, access to specific sysfs permissions could be granted in sepolicy, but newer versions restrict this. However, the very old ioctrl mechanism in the Linux kernel is still fully supported.

These challenges are proving to be very problematic. Even with the S13, permissions are heavily restricted and people notice when the app they want to use is simply broken due to the messed up perms within the custom version of the Android 13 OS.

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the latest noemie os does not kill apps any more, dual mode now have w377t although the one you can buy is all fake just android but in the future will have real
i will be collaborating with some other people to make a custom system where i will make all the system apps

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i dont know why one use sysfs, i hate it so much when i had to add some to better health because they set the sensor end point there insted of have proper sensor interface like a sane person would do

there are two type of person, one that want a watch and one that want a phone that is not a phone.
and the latter is the majority
as i explained in the post the future of full android

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is this open to other people?

wdym, the system after its finished, or what

Yes, agreed

Have you checked out the latest craze in the world of BT and LTE watches..?

“Walkie Talkie” is the term, broadly speaking. KingWear just showed me their latest offering in this field. Men’s and women’s designs. Very “bling” looking.

Basically, very similar to the Kospet Tank type of solution but has LTE as well, so phone can be independent. We looked into this a couple of years ago and produced a few devices. The main problem with these things is that they are blocked from LTE network by many Telcos, and in many countries. Here in Australia I couldn’t get them to work with any of our cellular providers. But in China and a few other places they seem to work very well.

Unfortunately, as it is RTOS, it’s not possible to do anything with them like we would with Android. No installation of apps for example, and the watch face engine is completely locked down and can only use faces that they allow you access to from their websites.

It is this that has prevented more important R&D for Android solutions. Because they are extremely cheap to make, can’t be messed about with (that is a major plus for the brands because they get very few returns from people who have accidentally bricked their devices) and battery life is far better due to the simplicity of the OS. The bottom line is that the brands are far more interested in this type of product than Android.

But, luckily there are still a few brands that are interested in Android and so we keep going. Just about.

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it is most likely NOT RTOS but java based like the dz09 which is just glorified keypad phone lets be real
using secret code can still change imei every 60 days as is required in some country
but we now just needs device capable of watching short video at least, there are RTOS that can do it but it is not a success
so the future is very great, we will see allot more powerful devices, the return is definately a huge problem, but UNISOC is invincible AFAIK when i let ai flash a tablet it bricked but still ablr to save it

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no,building the stuff

can, please dm me on telegram @AILIFE4798 or on discord @ailife

do you know this devices what kind of wireless driver have? source code, some info?

no we are building for w527

asr is too garbage not worth my time

how do I flash the firmware using aimgtool? the tool provides some examples but zero explanation. is there any risk of losing S/N, IMEI or calibration data when flashing new firmware, and is there a way to back them up?

aimgtool version: 2.0, linked time: 2024-12-02 10:36:52

Usage: aimgtool <subcmd> <options>

aimgtool gen -t rsa2048 [-o <keyfile> -p <pubfile>]
aimgtool gen -t aes256 [-o <keyfile>]
aimgtool gen -t random -l <length> [-o <keyfile>]
aimgtool gen -t RTPK|CDPK -c <cfgfile> -k <keydir> [-u <update>] [-o <outdir>]
aimgtool gen -t BTIF -c <cfgfile> [-o <outdir>]
aimgtool gen -t OTAF -c <cfgfile>

aimgtool hash -i <imgfile> [-o <hashfile>]
aimgtool sign -k <prvkeyfile> -i <imgfile> -a <address> [-r rev] [-s 1] [-o <signedfile>]
aimgtool signsingle -c <cfgfile> -k <keydir> -n <name[boot | recovery]> -i <imgfile> -o <signedfile>
aimgtool signall -c <cfgfile> -k <keydir> -i <imgdir>
aimgtool verify -k <pubkeyfile> -i <signedfile>

aimgtool enc -k <aeskey> [-v <initvector>] -i <plainfile> [-o <cipherfile>] [-m <cbc/ecb>]
aimgtool dec -k <aeskey> [-v <initvector>] -i <cipherfile> [-o <plainfile>] [-m <cbc/ecb>]

aimgtool portscan
aimgtool download [-s <serial> | -a] [-p <port>] [-e <persist>] -t <tablefile> [-r <mode>] [-d <reboot_delay>]
aimgtool boot [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -r <mode> -i <sdlfile>
aimgtool loadrun [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] [-m <mode:0 load only, 1 load&run>] -i <sdlfile> -n name -d <address> -f <imagefile>
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c <cmd> ...

aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c GETI
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c GTI2
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c DWLD [-d <address>] -m <mode> -n <name> -i <imagefile>
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c RUNI -d <address>
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c FMTS -t <tablefile>
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c WOTP -n <keyname> [-i <keyfile>] [-v <keyvalue>]
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c RDKH
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c PULL -d <address> -l <length> -o <outfile>
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c UPLD -n <name> -o <outfile>
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c REBT -m <mode>
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c POWD
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c ERPT [-n <partition_name>] [-m <mode>]
aimgtool cmd [-s <serial>] [-p <port>] -c CPID

Just wondering if anyone has tried connecting one of these watches to an Android Auto (wireless) headunit? Does it connect at all? Obviously this would be only when running in “android phone” mode? If it doesn’t work (or missing Android Auto components, can it be made to work?

I guess a follow up to that is, “if no one has done it, and has the means, can they try it?”

i think no, because there is no needed application in system

YouTube and some apps can screen cast, if that’s what you mean.

Or do you mean hands free phone situation..? If so, I would think that BT would work, but I haven’t tried it.

PS: when you say “only in Android mode” you do realise that the other mode on this watch is also Android mode? Basically, the only difference between the two modes is the launcher restricts access to apps and a few power saving switches are enabled. That’s all.

It’s not dual mode as in the old days where it actually used the BT system to enable a very different user mode. These days it is just switched to a restricted version of the launcher and still remains in full Android mode underneath.

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